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advantage over the 223? The 223 sp has PLENTY of power, to realistic ranges, and the 223 auto's offer the very valuable .22lr conversion unit, and are still handy with a truly effective suppressor attached. They are also concealable when broken down. The FAL basically sucks in all areas.

those who "think" that it's a good idea to waste a bunch of time and ammo, shooting at what they can't SEE (IE, "thru cover") will soon be OUT of 308 ammo, since they can't carry enough of it to amount to a crap, miss a lot, are slow with it (no can or .22 unit practice, make noise, atract attention, scareoff the game) Many items DO stop 308 bullets too(like engine blocks|) dummies. Enough concrete, brick, stone, dirt or wood will do so, too. You can easily fire 100 rds at ONE guy ,ONE fight, and NEVER touch him, if he's hiding behind a car. 100 rds of 308, inmags is the MOST that's feasible to lug around, along with the 40 lbs of other gear that the 308-45 dummies "think" is the way to go.
 

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why lug around FAL,when it has no range advantage over the 223?
Unfortunately for your entire post, the FAL DOES have a severe range advantage over the .223, especially the further past 100m you get.

I like the .223, but good grief, you have to at least be realistic about the tools you are using.

Unlike manmade statutes, you cannot successfully EVER get away with trying to ignore or violate the laws of physics and ballistics.
 

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223 fan said:
advantage over the 223? The 223 sp has PLENTY of power, to realistic ranges, and the 223 auto's offer the very valuable .22lr conversion unit, and are still handy with a truly effective suppressor attached. They are also concealable when broken down. The FAL basically sucks in all areas.

those who "think" that it's a good idea to waste a bunch of time and ammo, shooting at what they can't SEE (IE, "thru cover") will soon be OUT of 308 ammo, since they can't carry enough of it to amount to a crap, miss a lot, are slow with it (no can or .22 unit practice, make noise, atract attention, scareoff the game) Many items DO stop 308 bullets too(like engine blocks|) dummies. Enough concrete, brick, stone, dirt or wood will do so, too. You can easily fire 100 rds at ONE guy ,ONE fight, and NEVER touch him, if he's hiding behind a car. 100 rds of 308, inmags is the MOST that's feasible to lug around, along with the 40 lbs of other gear that the 308-45 dummies "think" is the way to go.
Does it take more or LESS concrete, brick, stone, or dirt to stop the .223 than it does to stop the .308? Can you even honestly answer this question?

So, while you are pinned down by the guy shooting the 100 rds at the car, his partner(s) flank you and kill you. Or are you going to expose yourself to that wimpy .308 fire?

Being alone, that's how you die. Alone.

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223 fan said:
why lug around FAL,when it has no range advantage over the 223? The 223 sp has PLENTY of power, to realistic ranges, and the 223 auto's offer the very valuable .22lr conversion unit, and are still handy with a truly effective suppressor attached. They are also concealable when broken down. The FAL basically sucks in all areas.
1.) It has PLENTY range advantage over the .223
2.) It hits harder at all ranges than the .223
3.) The .22 unit is of little training advatage (teaches trigger control, that's a bout it, the ballistic difference between the LR and .223 is too severe for it to be of any use in marksmanship training), and less tactical advantage, and just plain stupid to intentionally cripple your primary weapon.
4.) while a suppressor is an advantage in ambush, if you have time to set up an ambush, you have time to set it up with a full size rifle.
5.) The AR is no more concealable when broken down than the FAL. Give up the idea of not being noticed with it shoved down your skivvies. Give up the idea that you're going to have the time to reassemble it in a fight. "concealability" of an AR over any othrr rifle is a moot point.
6.) The FAL is one of the most reliable semiauto designs ever developed. A butchered AR is not.
 

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The FN FAL is one of the finest most reliable battle rifles the world has ever produced. The Canadian C1A1 was my issue rifle during the first 13 years of my military career. I carried it from Alaska to California, from British Columbia to the Middle East (twice). It never failed me.

I owned my own Australian L1A1 that I used in Service Rifle Competition for 10 year. Canadian service rifle is unlike US Service condition matches. On our rifles you were only allowed to smooth the trigger to a 6 lb pull and shave the width of the front sight. Thus everybodys rifle was the same and the final score was based on marksmanship ability.

On the 500 meter deliberate stage, you had 7 shots from the prone posittion. The target was 18"x22" with a 10" circle, basicly a 1/2 sillouette target. The scoring was 5 &4 for a max of 35 points. With my iron sighted FN, I averaged 28 points. This was from a rifle that the Australian gov't had seclared surplus. I've always wondered what I would have been able to do with a new rifle?

As for weight, it is relly an irrelevent topic. Most seasoned soldiers will select a rifle that is reliable over one that isn't. When you have carried a rifle in the bush for a couple of weeks you will find that , the rifle has become part ofyour body and you won't be able to notice an additional 2 lbs of weight. Given the geographical locations that I have served I found that the AR15/M16 series just can't cut the mustard in semi arctic or semi desert conditions. I want a rifle the can function at -40F, the FN can do that.

During my service I worked in Urban operations and exercises and found no problem with the length of the rifle. You just develop new skills that incorporate the additional length.
 

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Another gunkid fantasy vanishes down into the swirling vortex of death (the toilet).

RIKA :D
 

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Hey Garand - does this look familiar?

it's one of the two FAL's I own. This one's an L1A1 Aussie config (other than the receiver cover)

Love this rifle.
 

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Thats yours Aslan. Neat-o!

Envy-envy-envy

RIKA :)
 

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Raider said:
Thats yours Aslan. Neat-o!

Envy-envy-envy

RIKA :)
Thanks!

Though it is an inch pattern gun, it actually has a metric receiver, so I only have to worry about having metric mags. (my other FAL's an STG-58 build on an EMBEL receiver)

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Aslan!

Thats not fair at all.How could you post a pic of YOUR rifle like that in front of GK????
You know he cannot compete with that pic at all,...maybe if you would have posted a pic of your lady's weapon he could have atleast been able to stay in the game,Im sure Prophit would have let GK post a pic just to stay in the game.
 

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Good point, but I'm not deleting the post.

He'll just have to look at it and know WE CAN walk into ANY gunshop and LEGALLY buy whatever we WANT.

TBSS STBY (too bad, so sad, sucks to be you (gunkid))

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Here is your choice:

Carry a 11' CAR that has no range or power (documented it isn't worth SH*IT past 50 yards) and is light, or carry a REAL rifle that hits HARD well past 400 yards but is a whole 3 or so pounds heavier. I don't care how much ammo you carry for your CAR, feeble ammo for a feeble gun is worthless. Even the Army has gone to 14 inch tubes on their M4s, junking the CAR, and they have trouble with the M4's stopping power.
 

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I'm still kicking myself that I ever sold my Aussie FN in a moment of weakness (read as STUPIDITY). Ah maybe one day .....
 

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If the FN is semi-auto only, then why did they classify it as a banned weapon and not the M1A? Nasty looking?
 

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mrostov said:
If the FN is semi-auto only, then why did they classify it as a banned weapon and not the M1A? Nasty looking?
Well, most of the ones banned here were banned because they "looked" more dangerous. . .
 

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The Australian FN had the capability to be converted to full auto, the M1A doesn't.
 

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I definitely like a rifle with a 147 grain bullet, over one with a 62 grain bullet. I remember in the old days watching "Combat", all the germans shot with a Garand went down and stayed down. Not like "Blackhawk Down" where the bullets just went through all the bad guys.


lololololol
 

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advantage over the 223? The 223 sp has PLENTY of power, to realistic ranges, and the 223 auto's offer the very valuable .22lr conversion unit, and are still handy with a truly effective suppressor attached. They are also concealable when broken down. The FAL basically sucks in all areas.

those who "think" that it's a good idea to waste a bunch of time and ammo, shooting at what they can't SEE (IE, "thru cover") will soon be OUT of 308 ammo, since they can't carry enough of it to amount to a crap, miss a lot, are slow with it (no can
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everything highlighted is weapons grade stupid. people lost IQ points just reading it.

Just like your "standing around in the open" stupid comments:

what is making anyone shoot at things they cannot see?
why are they missing a lot?
Why are they slow with it?
Why can't they put a suppressor on it?


Suppressed .308.
 
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