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When you are in the woods SHTF can happen in a matter of seconds. You could get


*lost
*hurt
*hunted ( rarely but still possible for some sicko to attempt to harm you)
* many many more……….

For short term survival (a day or two) then

*shelter
*water
*fire

Shelter is very important because you need to be out of the elements.

If built right a shelter can be
Cools (for hot climates)
Warm (for cold climates)
Dry ( for wet climates) I know that seams like common sense but I will greatly influence the shelter you make.

* note. A small shelter is easier to make and maintain. Small is good.
* build it away from hazards like

Ants
Dead trees that might fall
Flood arias
Etc…………..

A good shelter for dry hot climates is a Wickiup, to make one. (this shelter will keep you out of the sun and wind but isn’t very good in a rain storm)
Find tree strong ridgepoles and set them Tipi- fashion. And pile branches, leaves, grass, etc….. to create the shelter ( leave a space to enter exit)


A good shelter for cold wet climates is a debris hut.
To make one Find a tree with a fork and place a ridge pole in the fork. Then place tree limbs along the ridge pole to make a frame then pile and much leaves and straw as you can on top of it. ( the debris will make this shelter surprisingly warm).



Fire is important for water purifying, food and heat.
Most people reading this will know how to make a simple fire with lighters. To make one with out them you can use a bow-drill. http://www.ehow.com/how_12589_make-bow-drill.html



Water is a bit more difficult it you don’t have purring pablits or a pot, can, bowl. To boil it in. to purify the water you can put sand in a clean sock and run the water threw it and into a pot, then boil it for 25 minutes (better safe than sorry).

Well I spent more time on the shelters than the water and fire. I wrote this mostly because I was board and the forms where getting slow lately. I hope what I wrote was correct and please correct me If I as wrong. Also add you own woods tips if you like. I suggest that if you don’t know about wilderness survival that you read. Tom browns field guide to wilderness survival. ( I got the shelter ideas from this book) I think the book is very good. A little old 1983
I hope yall like this post.
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I like your post GC JR. Will respond later because I'm pooped. Been up at deer camp clearing debris and cutting shooting lanes for my new hunting location. All alone and forced myself to continue even though I was dead tired. Sorry for the off topic tripe.

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Good post. One thing to remember, the more stuff you can bring in with you, the easier all of this will be. Using a little imagination, you'd be amazed the shelters you can build with a 12x12 tarp and some 550 line.

Water purification tablets are your most compact method of purifying water without having to boil. For the short term, hauling a SMALL filtration system might be in order, but the tablets and boiling will get you through a short problem just fine.

One thing that is absolutely critical in a survival situation is good cutlery. I like to think 3 knives as a minimum. A small knife to eat with (do NOT use this knife for anything but eating). A second knife, maybe the stereotypical 4" drop point, can be used for food prep and general small chores. A large knife can be used to clear small brush, help build shelter, etc. Knives are a good investment.
 

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While getting a haircut today I read in Outside magazine about survival. There were several people who survived amazing ordeals. They all said you die mentaly long before you die physicaly (that is you give up.)

One man had to cut his own right forearm off to get out of a caynion he got stuck in.

Another was when Eddie Rickenbacker in WW2 with 8 others in a B-17, had to ditch at sea and survive weeks with almost no water.
 

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of course the board is slow, when the guy who made 90% of the thread starts(and in answer to or about whom the rest of the posts are made) aint here anymore. Everybody else is too ignorant or lazy to post anything like enough to keep the place going.
 

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what u DOING in the wilds without your kit,hmm? You've screwed up already if that's the case. With proper clothing and other gear, the shelter is a non-issue, any place or time you have any business out there. You can boil water in a hollow in wood, or stone, or even in a plastic bottle,if you know how.
 

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what u DOING in the wilds without your kit,hmm?
Well now, that's kinda the point. If you have the choice, bring your kit. Sometimes you don't have a choice and you need to know what to do in such a case.
 

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like when Im at school the dont realy want me to bring my survival kit, and somtimes ill go to scout hunting places after school before I go home and have a chance to get my gear.
 

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BUT WHAT IS THE "TARD" DOING!

HE HAS NOT CHANGED .

AND WILL NOT!

he's still got to 'roll it' down hill.


yeah! right! like he's elavated on the high ground! ha![i'm crackin' my self up!]


welcome back, p*nk bit*h!


thanks. [act accordingly, and you 'mite' not git' stomped in a north/south



PINCHER manuver] ha!ha!
 

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Rickenbacker was in a WW2 BOMBER over the PACIFIC gunkid. The girl who survived the crash in the Peru jungle was the ONLY one out of 93 people on the plane to even hit the ground alive. Took her a few weeks to walk out of the jungle, alone. But since you seem to not last 1/2 day in the local sticks before you get afraid of hurting your ankle, well, we know how far you would go in that situation.

Another one was a woman sailing the Pacific with her boyfriend. Got caught in a very bad storm that flipped the boat, killed her boyfriend, demasted the boat, ruined the engine. Yet she rigged her own sail and after a weeks sailing, navigating with a map and sextant (something you have zero skills at) she made it to a harbor.

Another one was hit by a avelanch. All three of his buddies were killed. He had a sprained ankle, broken collorbone, broked arm, and other injuries. He had to drag himself out.

Another, the lead story, was a man who was climbing in a canyon and a rockfall trapped his arm in a crevest. After 3 days he had no choice but to cut his arm OFF with a multi-tool (he was well out of water and had no choice.) Still taking another two days he stumbled and crawlled out till he found some people.

And we know gunkid, you would fold in the first 10 minutes. These people could survive cause they didn't quit. And they didn't have nor need a POS 11" CAR and can.
 

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DJetAce -

I read that same article; the kid's got a book coming out titled "Between a Rock and a Hard Place", iirc. It's been a while since I read it, but I thought it was six days, not three.

I remember his description of the details of it, like how his gums were raw and bleeding from the uric acid taken in when living for the last couple days only on his own urine.

And the first, failed attempt to amputate the trapped arm, when he couldn't get through the bone, before he finally freed himself by just violently yanking his wrist joint apart at the bones, and THEN being able to cut the putrid flesh off around it.

And the clips taken from the video tape he'd made for his family, apologizing to them for hurting them, when he thought he had no way out.

Tough kid.
 

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so stash the kit someplace where you can access it. U r going to get into serious trouble without it, one day, if you go far enough to not just be able to walk back. If you can do the latter,no need of debris huts, etc, either. If you "think" you can build a debris hut with a broken leg, best splint your leg sometime, after REALLY whacking your knee, and TRY it. :)
 

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Just shoot yourself in the foot again "erika" and you'll have a real test.

RIKA (the one and only) :)
 

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Having a kit is great, but you need to be able to make do when you don't have it for whatever reason...school, airplane, lost it, dropped it, used everything up or broke it. The more you have on you the better off you'll be, but with that thinking you'll never leave the house.
On the line of shelters, a space blanket is small enough to keep in a pocket and will reflect heat from a nearby fire (not too near, self critiquing mistake) and will help out waterproofing your new home. Keep at least 10' of paracord wrapped around it and you'll forget about it in your jacket until you need it.
 

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fishline, on a sewing awl goes a lot further towards doing what you might need to do. Maybe YOU can't just walk back from 10 miles or so into the bush, without any gear at all, but most men sure can, and that's quite a bit more opportunity to experience the bush than "staying home". I live 5 miles from some of the best elk hunting in the world.
 

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With your bad knees and back, you would never walk one mile much less 5 or 10. Bah!

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Total dependance on gear will get you killed. Your kit may be lost or damaged. You may not be able to walk 10 miles out of the woods. (especially if you lack any navigation skills.)

You should be able to survive without your gear...

Survival skills are like insurance. You really need to have them, but the best situation is to never have to actually use them.

You'd better be prepared to build a shelter if you have broken bones or are otherwise injured. If not, then you really aren't prepared to survive.

GK, you've expressed concern about twisting your ankle, this has been the excuse you've given in the past to avoid training with full gear. Guess, what? a twisted ankle can make the going really slow, to the point where you may need shelter.

If you are in snow country and get lost or stranded in the wild, without shelter, the base of an evergreen can be used. (think big christmas tree with lots of branches that hang down to the ground.) In heavy snow, a natural snow cave can be found if the tree has low hanging branches. dig into the snow until you are right up against the trunk of the tree. There should be a space there. This space will block the wind and will actually help keep your body heat in.

Water in snow country is easy - simply melt the snow. Don't however eat the snow - always melt it. You can subject yourself to cramps and major discomfort from eating the snow. (the water that makes up the snow has a smaller volume than the snow.)

In the desert, depending on the time of year, you may face two problems - staying cool AND keeping warm. It can be miserably hot in the day time and very cold at night.

Discussion of the desert will have to be another topic...
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Aslan said:
Survival skills are like insurance. You really need to have them, but the best situation is to never have to actually use them.
Reminds me of what one of my friends who was in the Air Force once told me about going into a fight (He flrew F-111Ds, actually was the WSO, and Wild Weasels).

He said, "Going into a battle, you use all of your experience and skill to avoid having to use all of your experience and skill."
 

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Wild weasels....YGTBSM!

Let's see, we're supposed to draw enemy missile fire, so we can shoot at the launchers....yeah riiiiiggghhhht.

The only people more crazy than them are the sub drivers.

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You forgot Hog drivers, I'll put them juuuuust under the Weasels.

Remeber, th good thing about flying into the teeth of theenemy's air defenses is that at least you know where they are and are armed to deal with them.

BTW, the '111 wasn't much better. D models had one mission and one mission only, and that was to deliver two B-61 thermonuclear bombs from its bay deep behind soviet lines. No escort, no defensive weaponry, EVERYONE wanting you dead.
 
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