dont accuse me of making your errors. You can easily need to FiGHT while on a hunt in Africa and it's not unknown while hunting in the US either. You CAN need longer range than the 45-70 offers, you CAN need rapidfire, etc. You bol action clowns THINK that you wont, but it's easy to see that it could happen quite readily. Not a single military in the world still uses the bolt action. The fact that some ass backwards, LOSING countries did so, vs autorifles has no merit as an argument. We walked all over the Taliban and the Vietnamese. We out killed them 10 to one. We were just pussy enough to not stand up to theire willingness to forfeit 10's of millions of their people's lives. That has nothing whatsoever to do with the effectiveness of our rifles and loads. They were scared spitless of the damage done by the 223 bullets when they hit bones. as well as our ability to lug around 3x as much ammo as they could.